Originally Posted by
Captainbfv
I don't think anyone frankly is drinking the kool-aid. I know I'm not. Many, but myself am doing the same thing i did with Robles at the beginning. Giving the benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. It's been 3 months and a lot has happened. But there has been plenty of movement. I think everyone, or at least everyone that I've talked to is doing the same. As well as seeing the company try to force their comprehensive package.
The company always complained that Robles wasn't negotiatiing in good faith or at all. That it was just games. Well, they now have the chance to do it. And I personally believe that they will, of course it doesn't mean that they wont try to get all their way if they can. But yeah, I still firmly believe that a deal will be reached in a few months. June was overly ambitious by the company, hell many of us hoped. But between the Owen's wrench that was thrown in April, it definitely upset everyone; including the company.
Reality is that if you lose all faith and had enough then you must move one if you can. If you plan on staying here then you need to gut it out just a bit longer; just a bit.
Hope is not a strategy. Giving GU and IBT the benefit of the doubt is just naive hope. We know who GUnand IBT are because they controlled for years and look where it got us???
There is no way we get a deal until early 2025 - at the absolute earliest. That came straight from the source. NC needs time playing with NB sandbox before we can get deal and that will take at least until the end of the year. NC isn't planning on talking compensation until after everything else is done (scheduling and scope). We are no where close to getting a deal done.
I think early 2025 is way too ambitious given they just started talking scheduling and need to “play around with Navblu” before can negotiate the work rules. Then scope? Then compensation? Say goodbye to another year of wages and DC to retirement. Just another $300-$400k gone from my retirement account while we wait at least another year…