Originally Posted by
tom11011
This again? We are not going down the road of just take what you can get.
Who is "we"? You and your defunct union buddies or are you just 1 man acting like you speak for the whole group again?
Originally Posted by
tom11011
Your sample size isn't proper, there is nearly 1400 pilots on the seniority list so we cannot really go by talking to some pilots in the terminal. The pilots I see chatting in the whatsapp group is a much better sample size. I think you get more of the true feeling there although unscientific of course. However, nearly 100% say no deal without scope.
We are in negotiations this week as you know, the hard sections were finally passed last sessions. I think by the end of the week we will know if the company is ready to give us a contract yet or not. I am leaning towards "no" they are not ready, especially with the string of misfortunes these last 2 quarters. But I hope I'm wrong.
In summary, the Boeing problem will soon be solved and the airplanes will start coming for all the airlines, hiring will resume at some of the carriers soon and we will probably see some attrition as a result. One thing is certain, retirements are not going to stop en masse for a long time. The hotel will sell or will be managed into profitability at some point. With a tremendous amount of luck, maybe we can return to a percentage of what we once were as a growth airline valuation wise.
Sometimes I can't figure out which team Tom plays for. Just when I thought his IBT chest pounding couldn't get more shallow he posts a treatise like this.
Here's what I came away with: *checks notes*
*Polls are wrong unless Tom agrees with the verdict. Obviuously a sampling error which is the weakest of all poll criticisms.
*Whatsapp group where vocal minorities rule and feed off each other are a much better indicator lol. They want Delta.
*Negotiations are at the endgame now down to the financials. Everything else TA'd?
Wow. Has this been officially announced?
*Boeing has solved their problems and will start delivering airplanes soon.
Wow you must have an inside guy there too.
*Legacy airlines have solved their problems and will start hiring again soon.
Really? Wow. We're hearing AA won't hire again until mid next year. UAL is hamstrung by Boeing. Delta? Who knows whats going on over there they are one computer meltdown away from more chaos and they have an endless supply of Endeavour and military flows to find seats for
*Attrition will pick back up at G4 and industry retirements will shift leverage back to the G4 pilots. Hell even the swamp water hotel is about to solve itself! Good things right around the corner trust us.
This sounds like a manangement speil. Is Tom secretly in management and here to continue dragging this thing out by pushing unrealistic expectations? Andrew played right into their hands with this.
*With a tremendous amount of luck, maybe we can return to a percentage of what we once were as a growth airline valuation wise.
"Hope is not a strategy" - Maury Gallagher
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Y'all have already missed a full contract cycle at the highest leverage point anyone has seen in 30 years. That's not going to come again. All the regional airlines are making more than you now. You'd be better to take the money now, cut your losses, make some basic improvements, take a 2-3 year deal, and wait for the next cycle to get the dream list. Just the humble opinion of someone with 30 years in this business and 10 years at G4 who has seen contracts and airlines come and go and has no dog in the fight.