Yup, the most junior CA award on this last bid was an 11K number, which is... about a 2019 hire? Not actually sure, but 11K is roughly 73 pct company wide. As stated, not a single CA at UAL went to upgrade training against their will. Judging by what's happened with CA vacancies these last few bids, it's highly highly unlikely that we'll ever see actual forced upgrades..