Originally Posted by BaseballFlyer7

That's true. I'm sure no airline goes into negotiations without forecasting 5-7 years down the road. At this point I can be optimistic going forward however I don't have a ton of confidence in them making that kind of money. At least in the short term. I remember a conference call where a question was asked to JD about negotiations with pilot group about the contract early in 2024 and he said something to the effect, they haven't even budgeted for a pilot contract until 2025. So we'll see what this next year brings.