Originally Posted by zoooropa

This has to be a joke, right? Revenue isn't down. Per the most recent filing net income is UP for Q3 compared to 2023 and UP for the first nine months of 2024 compared to 2023. . As mentioned previously, company is forecasting double digit margins in 2025. Further, Frontier will not be "right where NK is" even if we get DAL +2% rates (not going to happen, just making a point). Spirit filed for a number of reasons...they were hammered by the powdered metal flaw worse than any other airline...their margins were running as bad as -30% quarterly...and they borrowed $3 billion dollars. Frontier has zero debt with the exception being aircraft pdp's and Frontier has the lowest CASM and even with a 50% raise in pilot hourly rates (again, not going to happen, just making another point) our CASM will still be at the lower end of the industry. Frontier doesn't have a CASM problem they have a challenge with RASM and industry events are helping solve the RASM challenge.