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Old 02-02-2025 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
To allow a helo to be at 200’ on short final is so absurd that it defies logic..
100%. Things become normalized. I'm reminded of my first (and 1/2 of my second) OIF rotation - 50' and as fast as we could go, day and night. Somewhere during the second rotation, hard deck was raised to 200'. We ****ed and moaned like crazy. I think back to that 50' stuff with almost 25 years of age and hindsight and think, WTF were we doing?!?😂

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
I don't think it matters. Allowing intersecting traffic like that is the point of failure that will fail at least some of the time, training flight or not
Yup.

Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes many military operations are for training, most ops on some platforms, probably 90+% of fighter flights (maybe a bit lower for the Navy right now, with carriers parked in 5th fleet AOR).

And in many cases "training" just means "practice" something you're already qualified to do.

I gathered that PAT25 was more of a currency flight, so line check vice IOE, but not certain.
Yeah, like Fangs said, minus deployments (Katrina being one), at least 90% of my CONUS hours were "training"

I haven't read too much, but I think I heard 1000/500 up front and I read an article that the copilot was flying since '19, so not progression (IOE). I can't remember, but when I was in, our night mins were something miniscule like 4/month and rarely unaided. I'd equate this flight somewhat to me sitting on WB reserve, not being used, and picking up a quick trip to reset landings. Not training, but I'm definitely not as proficient as during NB flying 20-25 legs/month. NOT suggesting anything relating to the proficiency/recency of this crew.
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