Originally Posted by
WarmSandDreams
It's a little more complex than that. Your freeze date is actually based on the effective date of the vacancy you get your seat from, so right now new hires are locked into their seats until July 2027, meaning by the time their freeze is up, a bid comes out, they're awarded a new seat, and they finally train in it, there is a good chance they spend closer to 3 years locked in.
It's a big bone of contention that for a lot of 717 FOs that after being on property for over two years, they can be earning $30 an hour less than someone hired a year after them, but their lock still isn't expired. Nobody properly explains how our "training freeze" actually works to new hires, they just tell them 2 year freeze, which is not correct.
Look, I gave the poster the basic to a basic question. It is complex, we apparently both work for Hawaiian so I don't need to be schooled.
We can get in to First day of activation in that category or effective date, or also new hire date for new equipment. Whatever you want.
your concern or contention issue is based on seniority and what equipment you are awarded. Guess what, it's the same in any airline with different pay scales, unlike if you're from Skywest of Spirit.
It is Not a seat lock, you can upgrade in the same equipment if your seniority can hold the left seat in that aircraft. Yes as you may know, 2022, there were about 20 FOs that upgrade in the 717 within their two year training freeze and did not incur more freeze.
Now, no, that may not ever happen again.
At the movement and until April 2026, a new hire that meets their 24 months from new hire date can bid for the 787, leaving that equipment before your freeze end date. This will allow you or anyone trying to move off their lower paying equipment, ie A321, B717 (FO) to 787 FO. Yes you will train for 6-7 weeks, but for 90 hours a month. To answer your concern/question, you'll incur a new training freeze in the 787, in this example once you are assigned your first day of either Reserve or a flight, your training freeze begins. The 24 months after that you are free to bid something, unless your effective occurs first.
That's the basics. Good luck.