Originally Posted by dracir1

Man, lots of differing opinions on here. Some are spot on (like immediately below) and some just cringe worthy - like the one below that.



THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. EVERY SINGLE PILOT UNION GROUP since the RLA has had the opportunity to turn down a pay proposal. It all depends on what you collectively decide to accept.

Having mentioned that, there are still some that believe there are aspects/items which can't be achieved or obtained. This is ludicrous speak to me. It's basically a display that mgt has done their job well of not only convincing people to accept less, but to also not even ask for fair compensation. Busdriver2000 - I hope you are either not at F9 or don't get to vote.



Make no mistake fellow pilots. YOU DESERVE THE SAME IF NOT BETTER COMPENSATION as every other US domestic flyer. You deserve the snap up clause. You deserve 5 weeks of vacation and 18 hr long call, and increased pay for converting to short call, and cheaper medical, and better LTD and 18% 401k (and whole lot more sh!t.). In fact, the OTHER AIRLINES are hoping that we get a higher rate so that THEY SNAP UP TOO. Pay rates should be a game of leap frog (just like NFL contracts for superstars). Not too long ago, Sun Country got Delta rates - it can be done.

So, keep in mind, the # of seats, the destinations nor the aircraft matter. In the history of airlines, pilots have never picked their routes, determined the type of aircaft they fly or its age, capabilities or limitations nor have they determined what price to charge the customer. We are a ULCC simply because the owner decided it. And he/they can change that at anytime. Honestly, I couldn't care less how much we charge, where we go or who we carry if you pay me the same as everyone else. There is now an industry standard for A321 pay rates. The ONLY way I fly for $0.01 less is if there are more YES votes to cancel out my NO.