Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot

Everything you are saying is true and if I were at Frontier I'd want the same. The problem is the revenue compared to other airlines.

Frontier had $3.77B in revenue in 2024. With 2,200 (I'm guessing) pilots that means that each pilot is responsible for $1.71M in revenue.
Southwest had $27.5B in revenue in 2024. With 10,000 pilots (also guessing) that is $2.75M in revenue per pilot.
United had $57B revenue in 2024. With 17,000 pilots (close guess) that's $3.35M revenue per pilot.
Alaska generates over $3M in revenue per pilot and Jetblue about $2.1M.

Unions use the leverage they have to decide a pay scheme for pilots. Its harder to compare a NB pilot at Delta or United to an LCC that generates far less revenue per pilot. Certainly the WB planes at UAL and DAL generate far more revenue than a NB plane, but the union pay scheme sort of averages all that out. There is no way United or Delta could afford to pay its NB pilots what they get paid now without those WB planes flying much higher revenue per pax plus cargo.

I don't believe that your management is going to agree to pilot compensation rates that give them a $1 profit. If management agreed to pay 100% of 2024 profits to its pilots (its most profitable year since 2019), it would have resulted in roughly $38k per pilot.

While everything you are saying is true and your frustration is understandable, the people you are negotiating with are also looking at trying to run a profitable business in a historically ultra-competive industry.