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Old 04-26-2025 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Historical ALPA and arbitration precedent:

There WILL be CA WB fences.

There *probably* won't be FO WB fences.

There will not be NB fences.

There will not be base fences.

Fences will apply to planes on property, and also all firm orders which existed on one of two dates, we don't know which yet:
1. Merger close date (last Sep) OR
2. SLI effective date.


There's no fundamental law of nature which says that any of that *has* to go down that way, but that's the precedent and arbitrators who deviate from established precedent open themselves up to appeal/lawsuits, which isn't great for their reputation, They tend to play it safe.

If I wanted to do a thought experiment, guess you could imagine a scenario where someone could make a case that the islands are unique domicile situation, and *everything* based on the islands should be fenced, but the corollary of that the mainland gets fenced too, and anything that moves between (either direction) gets unfenced and is fair game. But that's pretty far out there.

Caveat: This all assumes arbitration. In *theory* the two MECs could agree to anything under the sun, before it gets to that. In reality they'd probably get lynched by their own people so they can be expected to dig in hard in their respective positions and let it go to arbitration.
Very close:

There will be widebody fences on both CA and FO seats. The SEA 787 FO seat will likely not be filled completely by pre-merger HAL pilots creating opportunities for Alaska pilots to bid into the FO seat even while the fence is up.

There won’t be narrowbody or base fences.

Regardless of when the fences start or how long they are, they will apply to all of the widebodies that HAL brings to the merger. Which includes the twelve 787’s and eight additional options, many (all?) of which will be based in SEA.

FYI, we currently have 103 pilots on the 787 based in HNL.

The good news is that HAL pilots aren’t coming for your 737 seats, so Goodjet has nothing to worry about.
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