Originally Posted by
FriendlyPilot
If you can get within 5% of legacy payrates, that's great. Take it. It is widely known that Premium revenue and International subsidizes our narrowbody payrates at United, which will be hard to match in these times, to be honest.
I think there is a running myth that other airlines have no "schedule flexibility". At United I have only flown one trip that was on my original schedule for both May and June and 4 of my trips were all picked up from open time or traded from trips I originally bid. I am in the bottom half of my base as well. Sure we have some junior pilots that get redeye flights that fly over a weekend that can't just drop every trip into open time, but we have a very robust trips trading/drop system. We do not have a 100% "can drop" policy, since the airline just can't have every pilot drop all their Christmas trips etc.
I just checked for the rest of June on the Airbus, probably a similar sized fleet to Frontier, and we have 256 trips that are in open time for Captains for the rest of the month. These trips are predominantly open because of trip drops. Only 14 of them have a redeye segment in them. Anyone that has a trip they don't want has a lot of choice of trips to trade into.
Its great that you have a lot of QOL and trading flex, but other airlines do as well. None of us are "stuck" in our monthly trips. This perspective is good to know so that your management doesn't overstate other parts of your contract so that they can short you on take home pay.
All of the companies proposal's were based on QOL provisions others including UAL have. Less credit per vac day, Slower accumulation of vac days, No fdo, lower guarantee (that’s a big one), tie open time add/drop to a res grid. Those are off the top of my head and would all be gives. Now there’s plenty of provisions others have that are better than ones we currently have but you’re comparing a new agreement to a 7 year old one.
I mean you had sub 3.5 credit per vac day which was absolutely terrible in a vac month. Involuntary airport standby for res. Point is you had a lot of bad QOL provisions f9 doesn’t. See how that works. You fixed a lot of that.