SabreDriver -

"and a couple years ago I was about as anti-union a guy as you could find, but having seen how management can operate, even at good companies, I can now say I get it. It's not pretty, it's just business, think of it as a new set of ROE. We now have contracts, to keep both sides straight, the only thing management understands is $, it's not personal, it's just business. "

I have thought of myself as anti-union in the recent past, but the more I learn on these forums (wading through so much of the other stuff) is the details of the industry and what a good union can do for you and your job security. My step-father until recently was a self-employed business man providing a service to Insurance companies. All the sudden - these national insurance companies are undercutting each other and paying far below stadard (fair) rates for their services - using much less qualified people. When he turned down a job - another company was right there to step in at that lower bid and making it harder for the real professionals to get their due pay. Obviously I saw a great similarity here.

I wouldn't want to work for FLOPS. It doesn't sound like a good place to work to be sure. Something is wrong with that company - but i don't know what it is.

Thanks for the insight and the helpful posts.

USMCFLYR