Originally Posted by BagMan

Looking over the last few company communications I noticed a subtle tinge of desperation. The effort that was put in to selling a paycut with associated cuts in QOL had a whiff of failed gas lighting and the associated damage control that comes with it.

With that in mind I think of our current contract. Given the time it should have been glorious. The cards were all stacked in our favor, but we all know by now the short comings of our contract as we worry about how much collateral we will need to give up to plug up the holes. As I contemplate how we got here my mind goes back to the impenetrable facade management was putting up all the way to the very end. Our management went from an immovable object blocking any advancement to a rocket sled dragging the NC along pulling to have a contract done with a quickness that left many of the finer details on the cutting room floor.

This is the danger of negotiating with uninterested parties. They grind down your expectations with years of protracted jawboning only to end up with little to no progress. Eventually when the interested party is sufficiently worn down and the external conditions are advantageous. Suddenly they are willing to negotiate. After years of pressure to preform, stalled negotiations and the realistic questions the NC would ask them selves “what could I do to make this work?” When the uninterested party finally shows up offering relatively small gains all the forces are on Go now, Move fast. Which was the intention. This is how we have the present contract. It is a function of grinding down the Pilot Group and the NC/MEC as long as possible hoping they will start negotiating with them self's bringing down expectations.

Luckily in our case there is a system to prevent this. We the pilot group get to vote on weather this contract is accepted or not.

With this in mind. I ask my fellow Frontier Pilots what do you want to see in this next contract. This is your chance to shape the next contract, to make sure the provisions that matter to you don't fall to the cutting room floor. If you work at other airlines and would like to share you Ideas on this we are always interested in the wisdom of others. Please distinguish yourself from Frontier Pilots.

We can never get everybody on the same page ,but my hope is to reach a relative consensus so we all know what a new CBA must have ,Should have ,and some places in the CBA that we shouldn't push as hard on.

For brevity
1. State what the problem is
Due to the many delays we spend countless hours waiting around the airport for
no compensation
2. what you propose to fix it
We should be paid at least minimum wage for the entire duty period
3. Make an abbreviation (+ for and – against)
+duty pay

If your a lurker but work at F9 you don't need to propose any Ideas you can just state your preferences
-Duty pay, +delay pay, +indsty STD comp, +am/Pm schedule -70hr Min cdt

Just say what you want then we can debate why X is better than Y