Originally Posted by
G4er
Why did GU wait until the ALPA drive gained steam to get serious about negotiating?🤔
Who misinformed you that the union hasn't been serious about negotiations? Why do you think we have mostly only been negotiating on the few sparse scheduled mediation days over the last 2 years even though the union is available to negotiate every day outside of mediation? The trustee isn't controlling what the negotiators can TA, they don't even need approval from him. Most if not all are taking pay cuts, not running for any slate and can't wait to step down after the TA drops.
Originally Posted by
captnate702
This is so ignorant. You do know that the NMB has "considered" status conferences for years with pilot negotiations, right? The NMB in writing said that "this case remains in mediation." what does that mean to you? it is either in mediation or an impasse. if it is in mediation then by default it cannot be an impasse. we requested a proffer based on our belief we were at impasse and needed to be released. The NMB disagrees that we are at an impasse. That is the same as denying our proffer.
You can live in the clouds and drink the IBT kool aid all you want, but even members of the NC know that the proffer was denied which is why they are now shifting to comprehensive. NC was ****ed that we were giving a comprehensive because they've been saying for a year that we would not do a comprehensive until work rules were finished. What caused the change in strategy? The NMB disagrees that we are at impasse.
The union did stop negotiating when we requested to be released. they told us over and over again that they would not negotiate because we are at an impasse and there was nothing to talk about BECAUSE the NC would not talk money, retirement, benefits, etc until work rules were complete and work rules (unstacking) were at an impasse.
You can live in fantasy land all you want, but not even the NC agrees with you - hence why they are furious that we are giving in to management's game of doing comprehensives.
The NMB can deny the status meeting. What you're saying is not a mutually exclusive set of outcomes so your 'if this than that" conclusion is not correct. Like I said before, this is a very similar situation to WN in 2023 just 4 months before their TA. WN made a great decision by declaring the impasse even though they didn't get released and it seemed like a mistake at the time to some. We're most likely within 4-8 months from getting released but swap unions, dump your cash bank and you're looking at another 2-3 years easy. As far as the negotiation strategy I've already previously explained the cost analysis disadvantage you put yourself in and why the union just downgraded their strategy.