This proposal is exactly what I was worried about. Management has yet to make any serious offerings and our guys are already negotiating with them selves. My hope is that some adjustments can be made. Take a page out of Managements book and shuffle the numbers around with a modest increase over our previous proposed contract rates. At this point if we asked for a once a month ham sandwich as a raise they would still turn us down while whining about not being cost neutral. So there is no reason to forfeit anything. Until they show they are serious about negotiating and make some serious overtures asking for anything less than the Sun the Stars and the Moon is just pigeonholing all of us into concessions when thus far they have offered nothing of value.