Originally Posted by
cskafan123
Recently FAA has changed 61.159 in regards to accepting SIC hours toward ATP aeronautical experience. It used to be that a CPL who works as a SIC on a aircraft that is certified for more than two pilots can apply all hours flown as SIC towards ATP requirements is no longer valid. The new 61.159 c specifically mentioned only Part 135 with approved SIC program. What that means? Well those pilots who plan on working abroad with their CPL may no longer qualify for ATP as there is nothing in the current regs that address that. Moreover those who are working abroad on a validated FAA license would not be able to apply the hours towards FAA ATP and therefore may not be eligible for update to Captain. This new rule came into effect in August so many may not be aware. Now this is only my interpretation. What do you guys think?
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-1...section-61.159
No, 61.51(f) governs logging of SIC time. As always, you may log any SIC time for which you are a crewmember required by the operating rule or TCDS for the aircraft. Only one of the numbers below 61.51(f) is a PDP program. And just to be clear, an approved PDP program is an SIC program, but an approved SIC program may not be a PDP program.
61.159(c) is simply describing the logging of SIC time under PDP to count as aeronautical experience. It is NOT the only aeronautical experience as SIC that counts. There is nothing in that regulation excluding the other legitimate ways to log SIC in 61.51(f). And read 61.51(c) while you are at it.
It's not really a recent change anymore, it's been that way for a few years now, the last change shows Nov. 21, 2024, but I think that was to change some verbiage slightly. 2022 was probably the big change for PDP.