Originally Posted by
Jet J
Geezus dude as others have said so glad you’re not on the NC.
No that would be stupid, it would be an unintentional consequence of the group saying no to the first offer thus delaying the negotiations.
In what industry is saying yes to the first offer ever a great idea on any negotiation unless it’s great. Why would we be any different. Why would the company give us a great first offer when this pilot group has a history of accepting less and taking the first offer.
Long ago I did pilot negotiations...
The "first" offer that the pilot group (or even the MEC) sees is about the 1000th offer that that company has made. I'm guessing the JNC has been saying no for you pretty much since negotiations started last year.
That's what the survey data is for. If the offer meets the expectations of the survey data (as a whole... not one pilot's crazy issue that nobody else gives a crap about) then that's the offer you'll eventually see. Most pilots generally are pretty reasonable and realistic in what they are willing to accept when they privately respond to the survey questions. It's when they run their mouth on a web forum or in the crew room, that they are (generally) trying to be macho and take an unrealistic position. That said, there are certainly pilots out there who are very disconnected from the world and expect things that no company could ever deliver. There is aways a 10%-20% that is going to vote not because their expectations could never be met.