Originally Posted by
Profane Kahuna
You shifting blame away from putin for invading Ukraine is absolutely bonkers levels of mental brainwashing.
Do you blame the slaves for slavery?
Do you blame the Jews for the Holocaust?
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You believing that other potential Russian leaders wouldn’t have done the same thing had they been in charge is totally bonkers. And like MOST Americans, I’m far more concerned about domestic problems than I am about European ones.
Europe has more than adequate population and financial resources to protect Europe against Russia - whoever happens to be the Russian leader - SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO USE THEM. I do not regard them opting to spend their resources on other things as creating an obligation on our part to do the job for them.
False equivalencies with slavery (which the Europeans also had - especially in their African colonies - or of the Holocaust (which IIRC was lead by Germany and Austria with the assistance of fascist parties throughout Europe) was yet another example of the fecklessness of European politics:
Many countries under German occupation or influence during World War II either deported Jews to Nazi Germany's killing centers or cooperated in these deportations
. These included:
Occupied countries
- Poland: Jews from Poland, particularly from the areas incorporated into the Third Reich, were among the first to be deported to extermination camps like Auschwitz.
- France: Both the German occupation authorities and the collaborating Vichy government in France deported Jews, primarily foreign Jewish refugees initially, but later French Jews as well,.
- Netherlands: German authorities, with the assistance of Dutch officials and collaborators, deported a high percentage of Jews from the Netherlands to killing centers like Auschwitz and Sobibór.
- Belgium: Local authorities and collaborators in Belgium also participated in rounding up and deporting Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau via transit camps like Mechelen.
- Norway: German authorities, with the help of Norwegian police and paramilitary formations, seized and deported Jews to Auschwitz.
- Greece: Jews from northern Greece, particularly Salonika, which was occupied by Germany, were deported to extermination camps.
- Yugoslavia: Some Jews from Yugoslavia, specifically Croatian Jews, were deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau based on an agreement with the Croatian Axis partner.
Axis partner and satellite states
- Slovakia: Slovak authorities cooperated with the Germans in deporting Jews to concentration and killing camps.
- Hungary: After the German occupation of Hungary in March 1944, Hungarian gendarmes, in cooperation with German security police, deported a massive number of Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Countries with special circumstances
- Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia: This territory, under German control, saw Jews deported to ghettos like Theresienstadt, which served as a transit camp to the east and ultimately the killing centers.
- Romania: While Romania deported Jews from newly annexed territories, it initially refused to deport Jews from its core provinces, according to Yad Vashem.
- Italy: The Italian government protected Jews in its jurisdiction until Germany occupied northern Italy in 1943. After the occupation, Jews were deported, says Yad Vashem.
It's important to remember that these deportations involved the cooperation of various German agencies and local collaborators in the occupied territories.
It wasn’t just Jeff Davis that is responsible for slavery, it isn’t just Hitler that is responsible for the Holocaust (and that was our legal position at the post WW2 war trials) and it isn’t just Putin that let this war happen, however happy such a superficial belief makes other people who share that belief feel.
Do you believe WWI was ENTIRELY the fault of the Bosnian who killed Archduke Ferdinand?