Old 08-26-2025 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If US went before ICAO, which was what almost happened a couple years ago, then there would be a lot of disruption...

They'd either have to retrain elders with two years left for fleets where they could bid domestic, or possibly just end up having to pay them WB CA pay to sit out the last two years, depending on CBA language, the language in the law, or maybe just the cost of re-training.

This was a US-only issue.



It's not apparent to me that there's been a change in the position of the US legacies

Regionals, ACMI, bizav were in favor of 67 all along. I think most foreign airlines are in favor, since most of them have perennial pilot shortages

But it's obvious that if ICAO goes first or at the same time then the only remaining downside for the legacies is possible increased absenteeism/LTD, and higher average longevity (more pay, vacay, etc) across the entire pilot group.

There's a possible upside in that they won't have to hire and train replacements quite as often, which is amplified at multi-fleet legacies where one old senior guy leaving triggers a cascade of training events. It's not just the cost of the training, it's also the cost of all those pilots getting paid for many months while not being productive.
There is no pilot shortage any more anywhere in the world. EASA is a pay2fly scheme, hiring is down in the US. And Middle East, Australia and Asia are not hiring as before.
Secondly, I’m really just trying to understand what the forced medical outs will be in case we enforce much stricter medical standards. My bet is that a whole lot of Americans will loose their medicals in the low to mid 50s.
We really need to understand what is required by EASA, Chinese and Japanese medical examiners. We do NOT want that in the US. Try to get a medical in Japan with a BMI over 30. I’ve been told by doctors that I will never have a BMI under 30 it’s just the way my body is built.