Originally Posted by
FriendlyPilot
RLA is only about collective bargaining. It doesn't regulate asset transfers or a requirement to take pilots with assets. Please show me a reference for your claim within the RLA.
BK laws only protect labor in so much as requiring a process for CBA restructuring instead of being able to impose new terms outright. Show me in BK laws where employees have to go with asset sales.
Nothing in your CBA about "going with planes" would be enforceable, since the asset acquiring airline isn't a party to that agreement.
ALPA merger policy is the only framework for taking and integrating pilots. It only applies in merging pilot groups. It can't force an airline to take the other airlines pilots just because it bought some of its planes. Especially when those planes would require at least a year to be fully reconfigured to be added to the fleet.
Even McCaskill-Bond doesn't require any pilots to be transferred with assets. It only provides a framework for integrating seniority lists in mergers.
Its pretty clear your personal insults against me are subterfuge to cover for your non-fact based opinion.
Dude, go back and read what I wrote..I once never said it is required to take the pilots... I literally said from sentence 2 that "it all depends on the buying company" and below that i said " of course the buying company can reject the acquired companies CBA" all this is true, but it all needs Bankruptcy Judges approval. This was all a statement based on you saying that it happens in a merger, but this is not true because it CAN happen in an acquisition also. A bankruptcy acquisition doesn't put pilots out on the street. I literally stated that its up to the buying company. Also further below in my 2nd paragraph I stated that any airline that acquires Spirit will take the pilots because the way these big players think and CEO's think is not the way typical pilots think, these guys live in a different world and are focused on chasing Billions in new revenues because thats what they all do, from real world experience. Pilots, employees are a necessary expense. With all the court process and headaches, the company that acquires Spirit will already have decided to move forward WITH Spirit pilots before a deal is even made..in other words they already know what they are taking and they know they need the necessary expense as it is calculated and included by their CFO as they do their financial analysis and strategic assessments, all this is done BEFORE an offer is even made.
and before you respond saying "its cheaper to just hire from the bottom or its cheaper to do it this way or that way". This is not how these big players think, they actually think the opposite. While most people stare at expenses, the big players, wallstreet firms, CEO's stare at revenues first and create new ways to chase new revenues..they already know that the unions of each company will do their negotiations, their only focus is a DEAL....A F9 deal will take the pilots for sure... If we are talking about SWA, they already wanted Frontier's pilots during 363 bankruptcy, but both unions couldn't come to a deal and this was just post Great Recession and pilot market was nothing like it is today.
Whoever it will be, they will be taking the pilots. The narrative created here by a selected few is trying to scare the pilots that they will be on the street.
I guess I should have elaborated better because you made it seem that its an automatic sending the pilots onto the street during a Chapt 11 363 acquisition, which its not.