Originally Posted by
Clearedtocross
If you want to increase the retirement age, as a matter of public safety you have to demonstrate that it is systemically as safe or safer. If you have data which supports this, post it here. Waiting.
Sorry kid, I don't have to do jack. Guess what? I was in your shoes 20 years ago fighting to preserve Age 60 when I got educated on life's reality, especially with respect to retirement age. Just curious, what were you doing 20 years ago? Were you in elementary school? Maybe junior high? Did you study any aviation history, at all? Did you study any ALPA history, at all? Did you study any other pilot union history, at all? Naw... didn't think so, and it's painfully obvious you're swinging without a clue. You do have heart though, I give you that.
You want some hard-hitting data? Here you go: no one has to prove squat to you or anyone, especially today when everything is political. All they have to do is point to other developed countries not having ANY mandatory retirement age for pilots and not seeing airplanes crashing left and right because gummers can't function. Others have 68, some have 67. They'll also point to how they address concerns of two over-Age 65 pilots in the cockpit at the same time. Then they point to shortages on their continents or in their countries for whatever reasons.... and guess what? ICAO eventually ends up changing their retirement age. 2007 repeats itself.
But as you know, we are extra special in the US, so we should be asking for exceptions to ICAO rules i.e. banning foreign airlines for letting their gummers fly in our airspace or to destinations in the US, right? After all.... tHaFeTy aNd tHtaTuTh QuO, right? Guess what? Your precious ALPA will get the memo: flip or flop. Hint: they'll flip, just like they did in 2007 "to stay relevant."
Funny how you are clamoring for an extra 2 years at the top and at the same time trying to act like everyone else is looking for career enhancements. Gaslighting and projecting all in one.
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Nice try kid! I love the buzzwords you're using "gaslighting and projecting." Reminds me of the political hacks calling everyone a racist or bigot... sorry, the sensitivity gauge on that got MEL'd a long time ago. What I am really doing is laughing my a55 off at you foaming at the mouth trying to sell tHaFeTy when in reality all you care about is your career advancement. You know what else is funny? You intentionally dodged affirming that you'd have no objections to requiring PIC on the flight deck to be under 65 and requiring all the gummers in the right seat.... tHaFeTy, tHaThuTh qUo, yOu kNeW dA rULeZ, right?
One thing though.... as I said, I do admire your heart and tenacity. Reminds me of me 20 years ago. But you know what? Look at the bright side of things.... should this abortion pass and the retirement goes to 67 or gets abolished altogether at some point, unlike in 2007, we don't have thousands of pilots on furlough, regional FO's today make a livable wage and don't qualify for public assistance, most FO's at the top 5 can max out their 415c limits if they choose to - back in the day, I don't even think most captains could max it out. So, yep... the blow to our careers in 2007 was substantially worse than any potential blow we'd see if age 67 happened today. In other words, we'll survive, and most likely still thrive. No one is forcing us to stay until 65, let alone 67.
In summary, just as I love to poke fun at those who can't define what a woman is, I love poking fun at the likes of you.... both of you are foaming at the mouth and it's kinda fun watching you get all riled up. Thank you for the entertainment. 🍻