Originally Posted by
OOfff
rjs, you seem to be incapable of understanding that two things can be true at once. age 67 can be opposed on both the grounds that cognitive decline is real and that nobody owes a 65yo more time to recoup the retirement they imagined for themselves
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. But that's not the issue here. You seem to be missing the point that none of that is relevant if ICAO goes to 65 and there are ICAO member states already that either have scrubbed retirement age altogether or are flying to 67 or 68.
Right next door in Canada, they scrubbed the retirement age for pilots back in 2012 when they addended the Canadian Human Rights Act to remove artificial age restrictions in "federally regulated jobs." Did we see a spike in crashes in Canada? How about in AUS/NZ? Japan? No, we didn't. That's the pro-change crowd's argument. You're not gonna win ICAO over by whining about seniority and stagnation. You're gonna win them over by data that shows that
pilots near 65 and older have been getting incapacitated at a much greater rate. The question is if such data exists.
Originally Posted by
180ToAJ
Including mentoring younger pilots, age discrimination, social security retirement age, keeping experience in the cockpit for safety, etc.
This is all about money. Both sides.
The younger generation wants to keep the goal post where they are. No change to the plan.
The older generation wants to add more time to make more money. It’s just at the expense of the younger generation.
Don’t come back with “everyone gets 2 more years” because we both know no accountant would tell you to take a 2 year financial hit early in your career (and throughout) for the promise of 2 more years saving at the end.
Agreed. One small caveat tho... In 2007, you would be right about 2 more years being a big financial hit. However, today, given the pay rates, current 415c limits and ability of most major airline FO's off probation nowadays to max out those limits, those two extra years do yield extra millions for those on the bottom.