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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
What precedent is there for unions to take back members at their previous seniority at any level at any time for any reason unless wrongful termination?
Has nothing to do with unions, not their call regardless.

It has to do with employers. There was never in history a circumstance like the change from 60 to 65 involving a government-mandated age limit, in any industry.

ALPA certainly thought there was a real risk of 60+ suing to be re-instated with seniority... they negotiated language in the law to specifically preclude that. I kind of hope they do the same this time, although the potential disruption was far greater back then with potentially five years worth of returns.

Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
ALPA shifted because 60-65 was before the 401k juice and the obvious fact 60 left a gaping whole to retirement income.
And the fact that everybody had just had their pensions canx.

Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
Cognitive studies, discrimination, pilot shortages, were never the rationale. Why are they now?
IMO the government should have a concrete, empirical basis if they're going to limit our ability to earn a living.

Don't care about pilot shortage either way... it's not really the government's business to solve the pilot shortage for the benefit of the airlines, or to enhance it for the benefit of unions. Although in the event of a severe, sustained shortage that impacted the overall economy it might be reasonable for government to intervene... student loans, pilot academies, whatever. But not fiddling with an age limit supposedly established for safety.