Originally Posted by
Noisecanceller
I think you should preface this with the fact that you are now at an airline that does in fact have a calendar day min. The other fact is not everyone commutes, and while TAFB is nuanced when compared to calendar day, the majority of the industry has a calendar day min AND a TAFB rig.
Will a pairing builder build to reduce costs, sure, but you are in the very very extreme minority of pilots that does a 22:00 show and 10:00 release 3 day and thinks that’s the same as doing a 2 day during normal hours with the same TAFB. They are not the same. You can appreciate that now that you live in base. Enjoy the quality CBA you now work under.
Every CBA has problems. Just saw a 2 day trip here. Early start, 1 leg, short rest, 1 leg at night (second check in same day), short rest, 1 leg home. 2 day, 3 duties, paid 10:30. Would have paid 15 at NK, because paid per duty, not calendar day. Actually called ALPA, because I could not believe there was no duty pay....
And I honestly would rather do the 2 nights away, because it gives me an extra day at home while everyone is awake, but that might be just me.
Originally Posted by
spooldup
We have trips that start at 8am or 8pm, then one leg or a few legs, sit for 27-35hrs, then fly one leg or a few legs home the 3rd day and credit 10hrs or maybe 12hrs. You can't pick up any other trips on those days unless they are redeyes or give you the rest required. It is a 3 day. it should be 5:15 min day.
If I go somewhere one day at 7pm, then spend 30hrs in a hotel the 2nd day, then fly one leg at 7am home, that is a 3 day. I should get 15hrs minimum. Ideally, 15h45min.
Just your 35 hour sit would already pay 10 hours due to trip rigs, so that is not a great example. And at NK you would get an extra duty pay for every layover over 24 hours, so it would pay 15...
Definitely not saying everything was rainbows and unicorns at NK, but the contract had some good things I don't see now. I just don't see the benefits of calendar day, once you take the optimizer into account. I am working a lot harder per credit hour than I used to. And this is the F9 forum, so I will be gone.