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Old 10-18-2025 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
The company would not "love" it. They would rather we lower ADG. Then they can build 16 hour 4 day trips that suit them when they need to.

I would much rather fly a 24 hour 4 day trip than a 21 hour 4 day.

They can try to optimize it as much as they can to get it to 24hrs of block, but with EDP/SIT etc, I think those trops would end up paying much more that 6 hours per day.

Nothing is stopping the company from "really loading up on the block" now if they want to.
Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
They try to do this now. 5:15 is not a maximum. They can build trips as productively as they want.

I understand that raising ADG would incentivize them to squeeze more productivity out of us though, but I guess some of us are fine with that and others aren't. I'm almost 100% sure the company would not want to raise ADG and would love to lower it. It gives the company much more flexibility the lower ADG is.
m3113n1a1 has the correct logic here.

Having a low ADG allows the company to build 4-day rotations that have minimal block on days 2/3, but have barn-burners on days 1 and 4. Really it's a function of "A" DG. What we should be angling for is a min daily guarantee of something like 5:15 so as to eliminate the days in the middle that have like 2-3 hours of block - which is really just a waste of my time when I'm on the road.

A 0:00 ADG gives the company max flexibility. An extreme 12:00 ADG would ensure the company has to build rotations that give them maximum block per day to squeeze the most out of us, but they are still constrained by the destinations they want to fly to and by the speed of airplanes. They can't just optimize a given rotation to add :04 minutes of block to one and subtract it from the other because they're not optimizing a continuous function. They're optimizing a discrete one, which is much harder and thus leaves a lot of "slop" in the system that they can't get rid of.

So yeah, maybe rotations would get harder, but they'd also pay a lot more if we had a respectable "M" DG. Your average 3-day would pay probably closer to 20 hours if that was the case. That'd be really nice.
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