I think yanking the CJO's due to "not being competitive" was BS. I have no problem with low time or high time guys getting hired as long as they can get through the interview and training without their hands being held. I've flown with complacent senior FO's and brand new FO's from SKW who started flying after I was hired at WN. I don't know if extensive IOE is needed for every single new hire but standards are standards and I'm glad that if you get to a certain point, they'll just tell you that "maybe this job isn't for you". I think the new callouts are ridiculous but they pay me a dump truck full of cash every month, so I'll do what they want and then go home.