Originally Posted by
GogglesPisano
ATC services (clearances, vectors, separation ..)
These can be (and currently are) captured by landing fees. Completely separate from ATC user fees.
Right now the airlines are subsidizing GA by a wide and unfair margin via the fuel tax. Users should pay for what they use.
airports do not fund themselves on landing fees alone. They receive millions in FAA funding which gets a lot of money from fuel taxes, fines, income tax, etc.
Airlines are not subsidizing GA at all. The overwhelming majority of ATC system would be *almost* completely unnecessary if all airlines ceased to exist, got replaced by trains, and GA was the only thing left.
Originally Posted by
GogglesPisano
We're not talking airport resources, which are captured by landing fees. We're talking ATC services. A vector, separation services, flight plan filing. Granted the 777 requires more separation, and their fees would be higher.
But you haven't explained why taxing fuel is the most fair solution. You've just resorted to ad hominems. Let's take two flights from NYC to MIA. One is a Citation and it burns 6,000 pounds of fuel. The other is a 777 and it burns 60,000 pounds. Do you really think the 777 was 10x the burden on ATC?
User fees are successfully used in Canada, UK and Germany.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/is-...system-broken/
again I don’t know why you keep advocating for user fees when we already are taxed more enough to fund ATC. The issue is that not even close to 100% of that tax money isn’t going back into aviation. Aviation is a cash cow for politicians to fund their social programs and other bridges to nowhere.
I see citations manage their own separation just fine at busy non-towered airports, can’t say the same for 777s
Originally Posted by
GogglesPisano
In a perfect world they would pay more only by virtue of a flat tax.
In a perfect world there would be only user/consumption fees, no flat tax, and no inflation, but we abandoned all of that in 1913 and we don’t stand a chance of getting back. Too many people and companies enjoy living off the government now.