We even have reps and committee chairs that try to manage expectations or tell us to vote yes on garbage. Are you an interviewer? In HR?

Compared to other major and legacy carriers, we collectively have more kool-aid drinkers than they do. It's why we gave away the 800 for free. It's why we didn't file for mediation right away last time in order to start the timeline on the only leverage we could ever have. A credible threat of a strike. Which is how management was able to drag us out for years in the last 2 negotiations.

Why was all of that possible? A pilot group that is "just happy to be here" and "awe shucks, I'd do this job for free." If you don't see it, maybe there is a reason?