Originally Posted by
John Carr
And the price of tea in China is?
The tide of the conflict and pushing Russia out of Ukraine has changed how much in in the last ~3.75 years?
The ACCURATE casualty estimates trying to prove who's "winning" are?
The "Spring Offensive" how was how effective?
The Kursk incursion did what?
All these "new developments" will lead to what?
Russia continues on........
Yes, YES YOU ARE.
Nope, you're going off on a tangent, trying to put words in my mouth. Where did I state such? Please, SHOW ME. You're trying to strawman.
See above. Show me where I stated that? *cough cough*, STRAWMAN
Take ANY of the countries that went through the decolonization period in Africa post WW2, especially the southern part, doesn't matter. Nation is either invaded, trying to be invaded, or has an insurgent uprising. The U.S. backs whatever side, Russia (often times with help from Cuba, N. Korea, whomever) backs the other side. Sometimes heavily, sometimes lightly. At the end of the day, whomever the US. was backing was NOTHING but a pawn in the goal of trying to stave off Russia. Sorry, Ukraine IS a proxy war, people have debated that ad nauseam. With the conflict in Ukraine simply being the next tool (pawn) for the U.S. to bleed Russia dry and drive them into collapse. I NEVER said "it's the west's fault!!!!!", I NEVER said "Putin was justified!!!!!!"
I don't know any other way to explain it to you........
In response to your reference to "pushing Russia out of Ukraine":
Obviously I am not privy to the strategic war planning of Ukrainian leadership.
But:
Why would you assume that the only strategy for Ukrainian success is "pushing Russia out.."?
My personal opinion is that the strategy is that eventually the Russian's will just leave.
It would require many moving parts to fall into place, but it has been a successful strategy for many weaker forces when faced by a stronger colonial power.
Since WW2 most protracted wars between a national force and an invading/occupying foreign army has ended with foreign military failing to achieve its political objectives.
They eventually pack up and go home. Because they can.
There are a lot of ideas for a successful outcome for Ukraine that do not involve a direct defeat of Russia in the conventional sense.
Most of the strategies DO require aid for Ukraine from other wealthier countries.
Ukrainian defeat is not inevitable, nor even likely.