Originally Posted by
captnate702
this is where you are dead wrong and it’s difficult to hear: “we have waited way too long to not get a great deal.”
I get that sentiment but it is naive and uninformed. Waiting this long has only DECREASED our leverage and ensured that we will vote on an eventual TA that is below legacy standard. Why? Because we have lost all leverage.
we lost political leverage when Trump won and even more with the IBT lawyer Deidre quitting the NMB (per her linked in page). In other words, we had a better chance of getting released a year ago than we do today.
we lost market leverage when NK filed bankruptcy. Now NK rates will drag us down with the NMB. Spirit Pilots are getting priority interviews at the legacies. And they are leaving en masse flooding the legacy hiring classes.
Allegiant is “over staffed” per management and their actions speak louder. No hiring classes for over a year. That means there’s no attrition and maybe they really are over staffed.
so what does this mean? It means waiting has gotten a worse deal. We didn’t just lose once in a generation leverage when Andrew was the boss. This current NC and Unterseher have lost us enormous leverage as well. They thought Deidre at the NMB, Trump or Kamala would save us politically. They didn’t see the NK reality and how that would screw our leverage when hiring picked by the legacies picked back up or the concessions NK would vote in.
JR, Unterseher, Josh, smiles, etc. they will quickly throw AR under the bus and say he screwed our leverage, but they have killed our leverage just as much if not more than AR did.
I have never said the union has not made mistakes. The main one being signing the retention bonus.
Couple things the NMB does not care what NK has or even what is being asked for by either side. They only care on trying to move both sides towards a deal. They could care less as to what the deal is.
NK you do know that their even concession contract is better than ours in almost every way. Ok the direct retirement of 8 percent is lower than our current max of ten but theirs is a direct not a match system and they have snap up for both pay and the retirement in two years. (Yes provided the stay around)
The overstaffed is artificial if they pushed flying per aircraft up to 2019 levels we would likely need more pilots than currently on staff.
You also seem to think that at some point in the past the company wanted to put forward a reasonable contract that would have been voted for by the pilots. Based on the fedex flyer and the email from the company that if far far from true. Other than rumors started with the intent to undermined the NC there is no evidence that they have moved toward anything that resembles a far and reasonable contract.
My comment on time is as long as it has taken this pilot group should not settle for anything less than what is disserved..