Originally Posted by
JetJock16
That's why I called it a BS BHO (Brad Holt Override). About the only good it does is increase the total flying seeing you can now lump them all together and all RJ pilots can bid on all the pairings; this greatly increase their efficiency and their credit values as well as their commutability. It may not seem like much but it sure can improve one’s QOL.
BTW, I voted NO for the pay proposal. I wanted a CHO (Credit Hour Override) so that our pilots will get paid the override on the pairings credit value. This can easily be accomplished by using the pairings A/C identifier to set the pilot pairing pay rate. If it is a CR7 or CR9 ID pairing then all the credit (including DH's and Training) will get paid out with the override.
Or you could have a system like XJT's. XJT has 30 37 seaters. When FOs upgrade, they either hold the 37 or 50 seat rate. If you hold the 37 seat rate, you get paid the 37 seat rate ONLY when you fly the 37 seater but when you fly the 50 seater, you get paid for the 50 seat rate (except if you are reserve and don't break MMG). There are no separate lines. Everyone bids the same lines/pairings whether you hold the 37 seat rate or the 50 seat rate.
Originally Posted by
JetJock16
There are also Comair tail numbers being flown by ASA and Mesa numbers being flown by SKW as well as many other regionals. I also believe we have a few former ACA birds as well. Didn’t TSA just get a few Mesa birds and DAL just received 20 757's that were former AA/ex-TWA birds.
Yes there were a few planes that were transferred over but when we received the 12 CR7's from Comair 4 went to SKW and 8 to ASA. Bottom line, planes move and sometimes they move without the lose or gain of flying.
ALPA's Fee For Departure Task Force is working on rectifying this. As a matter of fact, there is a bilateral agreement between two ALPA pilot groups and their respective management's that would allow pilots to transfer over with their aircraft and given seniority. Bottom line, if your are not ALPA, or at least union, you cannot help to prevent the whipsaw this creates.
Originally Posted by
JetJock16
Regardless, our raise was actually spurred on by the failed union vote and not ASA's CBA. The timeline was purely coincidental, besides you can see how much their TA helped us due to the fact that we already had everything they now have with the exception of a few more $ per hour. It seems that our pay and QOL "policies" helped them more than their CBA helped us.
Take a look at the timeline and you’ll see that the SKW pay negotiations spiked shortly after the failed vote.
ASA had already negotiated their CBA while the ALPA drive was ongoing. Skywest even put propaganda out using ASA's TA. The negotiations were already over by the time SKW put out their pay rates for Skywest. And the only reason why there even was a TA at that "coincidental" timeline, is because JA had to be dragged into the negotiations by the NMB and Prater to finally get it done with the threat that ASA would be released if there wasn't one.
Originally Posted by
JetJock16
Wrong and you're giving your CBA way too much credit. Our new pay rates were voted in due to the failed union vote and yes ASA's new pay rates and
only their pay rates, as well as everyone else’s were used in the process. But
WE’VE HAD YOUR NEW WORK RULES FOR ALMOST A DECADE now and you just got them.
I mean no offense, just correcting your errors.
Skywest management themselves have said that ASA's CBA is worth 4% more than Skywest's pay/benefits and work rules. PBS alone is worth that much to Skywest management.