Originally Posted by
e6bpilot
I have been trying my level best to do the callouts like they are written. After 2 months of it, I mostly agree with the comments above. When things get busy, that’s the first thing I shed and go back to good old VVMI. Ever try getting a clearance with 3 things and doing it by the book? It takes a solid minute just to get the words out. Then you forget something and have to ask again and then do it over again. This does feel a whole lot like AirTran finally getting their last dig in.
Here’s a crazy idea. There’s two of us, both of us need to do a better job of doing and verifying. Hold each other accountable. We don’t need to say more things to make that happen (or not since the PE doesn’t do any PV apparently).
I’m truly puzzled by this sentiment. This change has moved us to the industry standard. We were the only ones not doing it. Like setting zeros, etc. Reading the FMA is meant to force us to actually look at it. Ideally, we’d verify it silently, but that doesn’t work consistently. Hence the talking. Being in level change instead of VNAV hasn’t been fixed due to another gap in our procedures. When we hear the words ‘cleared for the approach,’ what are we required to do and say?
I don’t understand your clearance example. You’re reading the FMA, after you’ve read it back to ATC. What part of that makes you forget the clearance? Honest question, maybe I misunderstood you.
The main issue with the new system is training. A long, poorly written RBF along with a short video. That’s a cheap and haphazard way to fundamentally change the way we do things.