I agree it's not the only system that tells us to "Do the right thing and follow the rules" while doing so stands to weaken you position and the groups who are rewarded rarely seem to take this track.

So we followed the rules to the T. Left a sub optimal MEC in his seat far longer then we should have. Now no status meeting and it will be 6 months between our last and next meetings. I am having trouble considering a worse outcome. I stopped counting how long we have been in negotiations but thus far we have yet to get a single thing from the company. Zero Nothing Nada they in fact made a sustained effort to actually pay us less.

This and someone wants to purge 169? The problems are not coming from 169.

Yes we should use this time to have some turn over. It is as simple as this "Do you want this to continue?" Do you want the same few guys to hand the MEC back and fourth as they all wait for their UAL class dates. Do you want no meetings, poor communication ,A complete and total lack of progress, All while LOAing away anything that could be considered leverage before the pilot group even gets to think about it. A leadership that wastes funds on Buses, window shades and parties(family awareness events) while we can't seem to afford to even have regular meetings in even our few large bases. What about how hard they fought for robo calls and the ****ing Captia that solves no problems at all what so ever.
Looking back I am not surprised we didn't get paid out when F9 gave out new hire bonuses. ( they were referred to as bonuses in the first and second memo from BL.) Yes it was in the contract but when your leadership is weak Nothing is leverage, nothing is power and quite frankly you should should just be happy to be here.

I hear what the koolaid drinker says and I don't care. Anybody who has been watching this long enough knows what needs to happen.

The question is "Do you want things to change or not" We are a much bigger company now with many talented people from all over the world. If the people running things now could get things done we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yet here we are No Status meeting, No any meeting for six months , years with no progress.

I keep asking "what are some of the accomplishments from our Union leadership" No one ever answers the topic is quickly changed.

Since on one will bite I'll tell you. During Covid on Christmas/ new years eve the company had a lot of sick calls so the company called in 47 pilots for a section 19. With the help of our Union no one was fired. That's right during a world wide pandemic people who called in sick were not fired. In fact our leadership was so proud of the fact it was commemorated by a special pin with the number 47 on it. I still have mine. Reading this I would think it was a joke ,but it's not.

Also while I am here Stop acting like this is some kind of open election. The LECs are going to chose. Thinking the LECs would chose some one who is not an LEC is like thinking Congress is going to elect a house speaker not from the legislative branch. If you had that kind of juice you wouldn't busy yourself with that job.

The next guy gets a short leash. Progress is made or we move on to the next guy.