Originally Posted by
brakechatter
Revenue premium is important to me as well, as it factors into our profit sharing.
From AverageGPA:
How do you know that it wasn't 'done a long time ago'? (Answer: You don't) Misinformation. It is indeed easy to ask and a much higher bar to actually achieve, requiring both parties to agree.
Page 57 of the contract comparison addresses deadhead, and I would argue that our ocean deadheading is much better than UAL or AAL. There is no 'if available' in our ocean deadhead language. They will bump revenue or pilots don't have to board. In a same scenario, it is likely that UAL and AAL pilots will be farther back in the airplane.
As for domestic, UAL 'domestic' does contain the language 'if able'. The so a large part of UAL pilots getting first class on non-oceanic deadheads lies in the way they operate their airline versus how we operate ours. Regardless, I will yield that UAL pilots sit in first class on non-oceanic more than our pilots do.
Where does this issues fall in the priority of Delta pilots over others?
What about insurance?
What about vacation, in which our value in the industry is 4th?
How about short call pay?
Night pay? - we are not industry leading
Per Diem? - we are not industry leading
International pay? - we are not industry leading
Holiday pay qualifying days? - we are not industry leading
Door pay?
Insurance?
Distributed training pay less than the value of the time it takes to do it?
I see a lot of consternation about deadhead on this thread, but frankly I can find a lot better improvements to speak about. thank goodness there is polling data for the Delta MEC to refer
United guy here, just wondering what the difference is between your Ocean Crossing language and our Global?
on Global flights (and any non Global single or multiple DH segments over 8:00) we will always be in Business, and the company will oversell to place us there. Contract was written when we still had First Class now everything is Business.
Here is our language.
- Positive space required: When on-line deadheading on a Global Flight, you must be booked positive space. (Section 5-C-2)
- Cabin you must be booked in: You must be booked Business Class if available at booking; if not available then First Class if available. If neither is available, the Company must overbookBusiness (or First if there is no Business cabin) to accommodate you. (Section 5-C-2)
- No downgrade to economy: If you’re booked/overbooked under this provision, you may not be downgraded to Economy (including Economy Plus). “In no case” can you be required to deadhead in Economy/Economy Plus under 5-C-2. (Section 5-C-2)
- If you’re booked in First: You can only be downgraded to Business using the specific procedure in 5-C-1-e. (Section 5-C-2)
Related (often comes up with long DH): if the deadhead leg is >8:00 (or consecutive deadheading in the duty period is >8:00), the booking has to follow the Section 5-C-2provisions. (Section 5-C-1-b