Originally Posted by
crewdawg
Not arguing against FC DH (though I think FC DH is a waste), but your FAs are union, no? Ours are not and Delta is scared to death of more unions coming on property. To the company, pilots getting FC DH, means the FAs will go nuts and likely push them toward unionization. We've seen this in action where they took some profit sharing away from everyone but pilots and gave them a small raise. Then when everyone saw the pilots PS checks, they lost their minds, so they got the PS back AND kept their pay raises. I mean, we leave rows of seats open (even leaving non-revs) because the FAs think the need turbulence seats. The company let's it happen for a reason...
So in general, I agree with you on this, but in practice, things aren't that simple.
Originally Posted by
iaflyer
Well.. I don't know what fleet you're on.. but I have had recently trips (from the bid package) where you fly a longish leg then DH for 4+ hours to the layover in a (hopefully) Comfort seat...
Oh.. and when I was on reserve.. those last minute call outs on SC with DH to the west coast... middle seat in the back.. because.. you know.. nothing else left 12 hours before departure.
We need better DHs for last minute assignments..
Originally Posted by
Delta757
I fully agree on that, I think most do. I'll admit I'm a bit unsure what people mean when they talk about "first class deadheads" but having a non middle seat comfort plus seat (for real, not "we'll try") or a penalty if not? I think management would be ok with that and we wouldn't be fighting on the hill they weirdly want to die on regarding first class. We get it for oceanic and it's not even a FNGL. I think that's fair enough. And that's coming from someone who heavily deadheads (tons of charters).
Originally Posted by
notEnuf
Comfort minimum aisle or window or by option exit row. Anything not compliant should get compensation. I just don't see FC half full with crew as a good look and the premium brand is our bread and butter.
Originally Posted by
Uninteresting
doesn’t seem to bother ual/aa or international premium brand. as well, it happens with fdx, ups, netjets/flexjets, 135 and the many 91 pilots who regularly fly in f. also, is comfort not marketed as premium? besides, a north face will solve all the issues.
Originally Posted by
biigD
AA domestic isn't displacing folks that pay for business/first class - only the frequent flyers trying to upgrade. We go to the top of that list, even at the last minute.
Originally Posted by
Johnnychimpo
do FAs get C+ seats like we do for domestic? Or do they get D1 for their international DH? I don’t believe they do, so assuming they will get it if we get it isn’t true. It’s just the company’s counter-argument for costs on why they can’t give it to us, which we’ve proven to be untrue since the new contract.
Originally Posted by
notEnuf
I'm saying the juice isn't worth the squeeze. YMMV And the FAs WILL cost the company more because of this so whether it's like kind or some other placation really doesn't matter. The reduction in inventory will be a substantial hit IMHO.
Originally Posted by
stephanie69
We need to stop caring what the Stews will do. That is a delta problem not a pilot problem
^^^This^^^ What stephanie wrote.
Our contract value is not costed with what the company may of may not give the non-cons. It's our contract. Mediation has proven that in the past.
You guys set the bar low to not try to get industry standard DH language just because of the fear of what the company will offer the non-cons? Again, see costing comment. The company is not negotiating with them, they are negotiating with us, under the RLA. Mediators don't care about the expenses that the company MAY have to toss out to non-cons. It's our costing versus the company's and the company can not cost in the non-cons. I don't know why so many of you here believe that BS. It's what the company WANTS you to believe. It's total BS and that should never stop us for asking for, as a minimum, industry standard DH language. Period.