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Old 05-13-2026 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Oh yes, I’m sure the DOJ will get right on it.


Most of what you wrote is FAing in the world. I don’t mean to sound partisan, just facts: since 1990, R Presidents have started ME wars, Gulf War started under Bush Sr, Iraq and Afghan started under Bush Jr, and Iran war under Trump. All 3 Rs, and just the facts.


Your commentary in Iraq troops, that should have been addressed back when it was happening. And who put them in harms way to begin with? A Repub President. If you go to a foreign country and enact war, they are going to fight back and people will die. That’s just war. Dont like wars? Don’t start unnecessary ones.

And you don’t need to lecture me on freedoms either. Unlike you and most of the R voting base, I don’t take this for granted. The proudest day of my life (after my kids being born), was what your crowd takes for granted: becoming a citizen (naturalized in my case). It actually means a lot to me. And the rights that come with it. One thing I’ve noticed here is most people just take it for granted. So when it comes under attack, they sometimes ignore it or dismiss it. Not me. And we have never had as many attacks on the first amendment as we do now.

Just the facts, huh? Bush Sr. did not start the Gulf War... Saddam Hussein did when he invaded Kuwait. Did you completely forget Somalia? How about Bosnia? How about the 1998 airstrikes in Iraq (Operation Desert Fox)? How about Operation Allied Force and the bombing of Yugoslavia? All executed under Bill Clinton. Did you also conveniently forget who launched the 2011 intervention in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi (who actually voluntarily gave up his nuclear weapon program), or expanded drone warfare globally to include countless strikes in your native country? That was Barack Obama.

Furthermore, your attempt to blame a single party completely ignores how the American legislative system actually works. The Iraq War AUMF passed with the overwhelming support of high-profile Democrats... think Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Chuck Schumer. The post-9/11 Afghanistan AUMF passed nearly unanimously, with only a single dissenting vote in the entire Congress. Global security and regional containment are institutional, bipartisan realities, not partisan theater.

Your claim that Iranian proxy attacks in Iraq were "just war" because you disliked the initial 2003 invasion is a complete distortion of history. The United States was engaged in stabilizing a sovereign nation, fighting a brutal internal insurgency, and dismantling transnational terror groups like Al-Qaeda in Iraq. The US was not at war with Iran. Iran was never a combatant in that conflict. Instead, the regime chose to act as a covert, unprovoked aggressor. They weaponized a sovereign border to smuggle EFP's to maximize American body counts. This was not a weapon built by desperate insurgents. By dismissing the state-sponsored slaughter of 603 troops as a natural reaction to a "stupid war," you aren't providing a historical analysis. You are explicitly normalizing a hostile foreign dictatorship launching cross-border proxy attacks against American troops. It is an outright defense of state-sponsored terrorism.

I'll be even more blunt... your position is born of either staggering gullibility or deliberate malice. To view the IRGC’s decades of calculated proxy slaughter as mere "fighting back" requires a level of naivety that is terrifying, or it is outright terrorist sympathizing. There is no third option. When you continuously excuse the targeted murder of our troops and make excuses for a regime that actively manufactures weapons to kill Americans, and also happens to gun down tens of thousands of their own citizens who oppose the regime, you are literally operating as a terrorist sympathizer on this forum.

If you genuinely believe your own arguments, you are acting as a useful idiot for a theocracy that has no qualms about gunning down their own citizens who disagree with them. If you don't believe them, then you are willfully carrying water for a terrorist state while reaping the immense economic privileges of the very country you claim to love. Like I said... you're either extremely naive, or sinister and malevolent.

Lastly, know your audience. I'm also a naturalized citizen. I know exactly what it means to choose this country and swear an oath to it, but unlike you, I don't use my free speech to carry water for foreign terrorists who chant "Death to America." The First Amendment protects your right to post anti-American BS without the government arresting you. It does not protect your blatant anti-Americanism from being challenged, exposed, and dismantled by fellow citizens using hard facts. Free speech goes both ways. You are entirely free to speak your mind, and we are entirely free to call out your blatant double standards, your historical ignorance, and your total lack of consistency.
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