Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

For fun I happened to go look back at my old logbooks (yes, I used to keep logbooks, you always had to be prepared) from my -88 days. This was before the explosion of RJ flying, so take that into consideration. Mostly 4 day trips. typical pattern 4-3-4-3 or 4-4-4-3 (that's legs per day). There was no 117 back then. Looking back on those trips, hard to believe we actually operated like that. Seems to be drifting back to that on the NB side.

So, NB folks, what exactly is going on with rotations? I don't really look at your bid packs so I'm ignorant. Is the biggest gripe that duty periods are long (pushing max duty day and/or block limits) followed by short rests (we all know that a 11.5 hour overnight turns into a min rest overnight pretty quick in today's operation).

CBreezy gave you the solution - call out fatigued. It's as simple as that.

It's a tool we've been given as professional pilots. If you're beat, make the call. Full stop. The rotation construction won't improve until we put the breaks on it. You won't be called over excessive fatigue calls. If the rotation is fatiguing you - make the call. If, God forbid, something happened to you out there, they are going to peel you back and ask you about your fitness for duty. And guess what - that's solely on YOU. They will not blame the company for the rotation you decided to fly to the end fatigued. The rules give us this self determination. Use it.