At present, don't we have several Captains with less than 12 years on property? Continental has quite a few as well, as well as the America West side of UsAirways. I don't know about Alaska, but I suppose it may be possible there too and with all of the over-50 DAL guys who left with their retirement deal a few years back, it seems like it would be possible that they have less than 12 year Cap's as well, although again I'm not sure.