Originally Posted by
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What should that tell us? Be specific please.
With CS you don't have to start behind 3000 pilots. You have a smaller fractional with alot of growth potential. I am told the people working there are great to deal with and the pay is not too far off of NetJets. You have new airplanes and are owned by Cessna, who in turn is owned by Textron.
I don't see any negatives there. I suspect you would make captain quicker at CS than you would NetJets as well. Please let us know what you know?
If it is because of the union at NetJets that is making you move then I guess you can keep it. I am not a fan of unions, particularly if the company (CS) is doing so well without it.
I know CS is making changes for the positive to compete with NJ...that is a no brainer. I also know that the pay raises CS has is a direct result of what NetJets union got them, BUT before that pay raise for NetJets, CS was higher paying than NJ and also had 26 domiciles to NetJets 5....correct?
Not trying to sound like an advocate for either. Just trying to get clarification on the generalities of your statement "..if that tells you anything." To be to the point (the military side of me), what is it that sucks so bad to make you want to leave for NetJets and sit junior to 3000 other pilots?
Thanks
I am at NJ and I don't know the specifics of why he left CS, but it is the union. We have enforceable work rules, CS has guidelines that are "flexible." We have a grievance process, CS has a suggestion box. We have strict pay and duty rules, CS doesn't. We have three different schedules, CS has 1. NJ requires you to be in your base airport city by midnight the first day of duty, CS requires you to live within 120 miles (or was that minutes?) of your base airport, no exceptions. Those are just a few differences. CS is a great place to be. Most pilots know what management will do if they can (screw the labor,) so they prefer representation. When your flight manager at CS asks you to do something in the "grey" area assuring you it is legal, threatens you with discipilary action if you don't do it, and you are afraid the FAA may pursue the matter if you did it, you want a union rep yet? Unions can be evil, it is the pilot group's responsibility to hold the union accountable. It is the union's duty to hold management accountable and treat the pilot fairly. Without them, management screws you when they want. Read the history of aviation labor. Management gets unions because they deserve each other.