its still a management issue...bottom line. sadly enough, i was thinking that if we did say we won't fly it anymore to our management, they'd just go create another alter ego (ie GJ) that would. unless someone can give me a reason why they wouldn't? i'm sure the cpa is with trans states holdings and not trans states airlines. anyway, its all pointless, its a management issue and nobody but them can be blamed. so can we close this thread out now?