Originally Posted by Sputnik

You might be right but I'm going to go ahead and call bullsh!t anyway. I went through SUPT when it was still new, many of my buds went through UPT. And, surprise surprise, they had exactly the same washout rate we did. As a Tweet FAIP many of the older IPs had been there before the Tone arrived, they said washout rate was the same before and after.

The main point of the Tone wasn't to save weak swimmers, it was to save hours on the 38 fleet after the AF decided to keep it forever. An added advantage was to train crew concept earlier to guys going to crew aircraft.

There may have been a conspiracy to save weak swimmers but like all successful conspiracys it was kept hidden till you revealed it.

There was a rumor pushed around, mainly by the 38 crowd, that you couldn't wash out of tones. It died out about the time people realized the failure rate in phase three was the same in both 38s and Tones (very very small, but there). In my class the only phase three washout was in Tones, though the bottom 38 guy got a Viper and didn't make it.

I've known enough guys like liftr to know that Tweet performance doesn't necessarily accurately predict 38 (or 1) results. If it makes you feel better to think that 38 guys are somehow better, have at it. Doesn't match my experience of 3 years teaching Tweets, or 8 years since but you're entitled to your opinion.