And welders..they start at about 12-14/hr or so depending on area. But plenty of overtime. I mean if you want to do physical labor your whole life then great have it. I just got a job delivering ice cream products to stores. Should make around 40k-45k or so/yr. Dropped out of college and i'm 21. I mean yea sure that is OK money, esp for my age, but I wouldn't want to do labor BS the rest of my life. Which is why I don't see myself at this place more than two years tops, and that is pushing it really.