look I am not here to praise ALPA by any means. Its not the greatest thing in the world but they certainly help. I know you guys will have a vote coming up and you will have to make a choice between teamsters and alpa or nothing. Even if you dont think much of alpa consider this: If we are both Alpa we can work together and try to make ALPA better. We are not trying to take your saabs or Q's, we are just trying to protect our pilots and if you join us, alpa will protect you as well. The PNCL corp has 2 of the most efficient planes in the Q and the 900. They also have a lot of 50 seat jets that are unwanted and some saabs that are getting old. Under one seniority list that would be integrated fairly we could both share in the growth of the new aircraft but also have more opitons if some of the less efficient aircraft get parked. Also under a combined list, PNCL corp will never have the option of transfering aircraft between the 2 airlines by whipsawing us against each other. You might say oh i wont even be here to see the effects at this because i will be at a major, but We could be at pinnacle and colgan for years to come in these times, so lets make this place a better place together. Good luck in your upcoming vote.