Desertdog I was referring to the "job field" it in a general manner and aviation is included in that. But I guess I'll give my two cents now that we're on the subject. I don't mean to make a generalization but I think that many people who do get all their ratings at these type of places often have trouble finding work in the industry right away and these places certainly give you no free ticket to a piloting job with someone. So a lot of these folks are forced to take a job in something else if they can't find work right away in order to pay off the flying debts and all their other bills. I hope someone whose actually had an experience like this can help justify my reasoning.