I was just pointing out that the Apple/NY Air guys knew what was happening. And yes, you will always find someone who will do the job for less than you will.

As for management, I was never part of it so I didn't have the big picture from from ground level, the ranks do seem to be over-populated with dirtbags and amoral individuals.

The cycle is almost Biblical though. Some dirtbag is finally ousted and a new guy comes in promising to take everyone to the promised land be it Wolf, Tilton or whomever. The high desire for success and a change creates a momentary period which many consider the honeymoon. Employees grant the new guy/gal a bank account of trust and hope which more often than not, s/he squanders or fails to achieve expected goals. Then, like Moses and the 'children', everyone gets grumpy and wants to go back to the good old days which never existed.

I enjoyed flying the machines but in the last few years the airline industry has changed so much that as much as I miss it (the crews, the machines and the good layvers), I am glad I am no longer there. As one old friend said, "When we started it was a free jet ride to the next party." I said,"It doesn't get better than this." and we were both right.