Okay Nevjets so I went back through all of my emails that I have recieved from both ALPA and my MEC. By the way I save every single one of them in a file, and I read the ALPA magazine every month that it arrives, so I can make a safe assumption in saying that I am proactive in keeping up with things. And in NO place in any of these publications or any of the emails (I could post every single of one of them if you want) did it say anything about this issue. Once again if ALPA wanted the money they should have asked, not attempted to take. We can agree to disagree as I am not going to change your mind, and you arent going to change mine. As for the political courageousness, that is utter garbage. Most of this vote was based on the premise of fairness, how we should all share the burden responsibly. Now you might have convinced me there, but how is it fair that one airline has a good contract, one has a bad one, and others are furloughing as their flying is shifted to another airline, with all of these airlines belonging to ALPA. Explain to me how that is fair, and while we are on this 'ALPA has done so much for you, and wants whats best for you kick" why is it that ALPA doenst have a union sponsored pension plan? I can name quite a few unions in much less desired fields that have pensions, and therefore have a secure future. I wish I could say the same for us. RANT OVER!!!