Originally Posted by
btwissel
Saab, you should see the discussion over @ RP.org. we've pretty much come to the same conclusion as here. this is an attempt to whipsaw Midwest and screw all of us over.
if any one knows if it's bad juju to post excerpts of your contract, i'll come back later and post the Scope section of ours. basically, if it's owned by RAH, then RAH pilots have to fly it. i can't see any way that if it were to go to court that they could get around it.
First off you guys are jumping the gun hard core. Need to sit back, cool off, and think about things for a little bit. If anyone is going to be screwed it's going to be the RAH guys.
1) This is not a violation of our contract the way I read it. I wish it were though.
2) We have no idea what the Midwest pilot's deal is.
3) Midwest could simply be saving a TON of money by returning the 717s to boeing.
4) This deal, one way or another, is going to save jobs at Midwest. I'd like to see them at RAH but not at the expense of others.
5) This is good for RAH and the pilots in one form or another. Once again I don't want to see any RAH planes being flown by non-RAH pilots but this saves RAH a nice chunk of change and actually makes them a little. During contract negotiations that's more $$$ leverage we can argue for.
You guys, just wait till you see what United has in store for Republic. Watch another jets for jobs deal come out of that whole mess this year. That company is a virus and a cancer in this industry and will be the demise of our careers. The writing is on the wall and we are heading towards a new era in airline flying.
There's no writing on the wall at RP.org about this. Comical he can see the future of our company but not the future of his own.
We have a bunch of failing major airlines being propped up by cheap, eager, opportunistic regional carriers who move in when the gettin is good.
Better to let them fail then and put more major guys on the street? Maybe you should get the poster to take a look at the contract XJT signed with CAL.
Just when a major is about to go toe up in swoops their savior, Republik...my balls...and takes over a huge chunk of flying the the major just couldn't support anymore.
What huge chunk of flying did RAH take over? The poster said it himself, "The major just couldn't support it anymore." So one way or another it wasn't going to be flown by the mainline. Might as well watch mainlines all go out of business and put even more guys on the street! Give that guy a star for being a genius.
In turn, the major airline negotiates the contract down to the bare bones and the regional passes this down to the labor groups, and the beat goes on, and on.
Is the talking about XJT? Because they could have said no and kept the CAL contract better. They chose to take it.
Meanwhile, said labor group watches their company grow, expand and prosper, yet continually fails to negotiate a contract remotly approaching the rates proportionate to the flying they are now doing inplace of their brother that came before them.
I'm guessing this was a random rant with no real thought. Have him think things through and do a little research. While yes there was a lot given to get a master seniority list the pay falls nowhere out of line for the amount of seats. it will require a little more time but there's a post around here where I took payscales for multiple companies across multiple aircraft from the 747 down to the ERJs and it's almost a linear pattern. RAH pay fit right in place. It was a sad reality but none the less it was a reality.
I'll accept it as some kind of misplaced rage. I wonder if he'll follow his own words and quit or accept pay reductions. So many were quick to talk but now that the money's on the table attitudes appear to be changing.