Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck
I talk about factual, substantiated information. I don't rant about a pilot group or how any one carrier is supposedly undercutting contracts or bringing the QOL life down for the entire industry. When I speak of a company it's not simply to trash talk it's to actually have an educated conversation about the performance of a place relative to the industry. "Spreadsheet" talk if you will. I don't talk about possible imaginary deals with other carriers and pilot groups.
No I haven't looked at the contract directly. I have read the reports filed by CAL of how the agreement came to be. Also don't forget that Ream himself has stated how low ball it is and that your pilot group is being asked for concessions.
All the claims I've ever made are publicly available for anyone willing to actually put down the kool-aid and take a read. Considering the way things have gone down I'd say I was pretty accurate. Of course I've been told for the past 1.5yrs how I don't know what I'm looking at and XJT is doing great
First off you still don't know what's happening at Midwest. Secondly, yes I know how XJT was whipsawed but the original poster of that message said something along the lines of when an airline is about to go BK here comes a regional accepting a low contract and how majors are being supplied by "cheaper, eager" regionals. Is XJT a cheaper regional now that they have such a cheap contract with CAL?
There's irony all over that guys post. He's doing his best to try and place blame somewhere and not noticing that XJT is a business just like RAH or any other place and has made the same business moves. Whipsawed or not XJT signed a deal so low that there are about to be paycuts. Multiple opportunities to fix that place and Ream always thought he'd do better going the other way.
You only think you talk factual information. Here's my beef with your original post on this.
You sarcastically say that the poster can see the future of your company but cannot his own as if you knew or know the future of XJT or even what the future of RAH is for that matter.
Second, you say to the original poster to take a look at the CAL/XJT contract as if you've looked at it before. And then you say that XJT didn't have to sign that contract and could have just said no. The fact that XJT was whipsawed by CAL using SKW into signing that deal or lose ALL of the CAL flying is totally lost on you.
You even rhetorically said yourself, "Might as well watch mainlines all go out of business and put even more guys on the street" but yet ignore the fact that was what CAL was going to do to XJT if it didn't sign on the dotted line..."put even more guys on the street."
This is not a case of a pilot group rolling over and letting management "low ball" CAL's offer. The gun was on XJT's head and they blinked first. Now they are dealing with the ****ty deal that CAL shoved down their throat. To put in simpler terms for you, this wasn't a concession to keep or get new flying. This is a concession to stay in business because of what CAL did. It isn't as if we are compensated poorly and therefore can low ball bids because of it. You get it yet?
And lastly, if you deny the similarities between that and what is happening between RAH and Midwest then you certainly know less than I had given you credit for.