Old 09-06-2008 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets


Let me spell it out for you since you either are ignoring it or don't understand. The similarity is that one pilot group, RAH and SKW, is being used to whipsaw another pilot group, Midwest and XJT.



That's the whole POINT!!! Its a whipsaw regardless. Its just that your pilot group seems to be the beneficiary of it at the peril of the other. Is that why you want to deny the similarities? Keep in mind, I'm not blaming the RAH pilot group. It just is what it is.
Nevets with all due respect you're taking two different post that were centered around two different subjects and applying them at the same time which of course make them contradictory.

To the first one. I originally took the ramblings of that person and stated how "there is a lot of irony in his post". Meaning there were similarities. Since then the debate went one direction and now has made full circle where you're yelling at me how there are similarities. That was my original point.

Secondly, yes we completely understand what is trying to take place. However this news was first broken to both RAH and Midex at the same time which was through a public press release. RAH pilots have no real say in the matter except to make sure things are done per the contract. That is the only leverage we have. We are not happy with the situation in general.

Lastly XJT wasn't simply a whipsaw. There is this widespread talk that SKYW was used simply to whipsaw XJT. Not true. SKYW put money, investors money, on the table for XJT. It was a real offer for real cash. It wasn't an alter-ego creation like gojets. If XJT had been taken the deal, as they should have from a business point of view, things would be different. When they didn't CAL gave them the option to take the new deal or they'd go with SKYW. XJT decided to take it. It's no secret that XJT has butted heads with CAL many times. Most people don't bite the hand that feeds them. They did and CAL decided to pull that hand back and diversify itself a little more. It wasn't a plain and simple whipsaw. It was a series of reactions taken by both sides over a decent span of time. I know it's just my opinion so forgive me if I don't see it the same, but I have a hard time believing that one day Larry woke up and said "I want to start a plan, that will span a few years, to whipsaw XJT". CAL still pays the fuel bills like the rest of the guys and when things went through the floor they needed to do what they could to stay only marginally in the red. I don't think it was any hell bent vendetta to simply yank XJT around as much as quick decisions to deal with a buckling industry. CAL only lost 3mil last quarter versus the rest due to these drastic changes. I don't personally know what price they're asking XJT to operate at. It could be a reasonable price that XJT's having issues with simply because of the high operating cost the company has compared to others. I don't know. I don't consider it a whipsaw. There is no Freedom-A or Go-Jet created simply lower your contract. SKYW wasn't put there by CAL simply to get a lower price out of you guys. SKYW was there to do business with CAL and CAL expected to do business with SKYW because of their lower operating cost. XJT put it's foot down so CAL said, "If you don't like it then you operate at this price". One thing's for sure and that's that Larry is a bean counter and would go with whoever is cheapest to operate with. You see it as a whipsaw, that's understandable, but I see it as CAL doing business to save itself in the current market. I don't think there were any evil intentions running around for the past couple years just to stick it to you guys.