Believe it or not, at one time in history the USAF had enough integral airlift in MAC that we flew all these trips in C-141s. I'll bet there are more than a few of you former Starlifter guys that can remember the 807 out of Norton AFB that went round-robin across the Pacific. That Starlifter was a lady and although not the most comfortable thing for passengers to ride it was always there. It was a sad day when I saw the last of them leave McChord AFB for good. Kind of like watching the death of a close friend.